LinearInquisition unleashed to weed out Vatican leakers (Main Forum)
by Ynot 
, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 07:14 (417 days ago)
Inquisition unleashed to weed out Vatican leakers
Tom Kington, Rome
April 28, 2012
from The Guardian
VATICAN employees who have been leaking embarrassing letters about corruption and nepotism in the tiny city state are to be hunted down by a crack squad of cardinals led by a senior member of the religious group Opus Dei.
Irritated by the anonymous release of documents to the press this year, Pope Benedict has named Cardinal Julian Herranz, 82, to lead a three-man team which will haul in members of staff for questioning and rifle through files until they catch the perpetrators of what has been dubbed ''Vatileaks''.
A statement on the front page of the Vatican's daily newspaper warned the team had a full ''pontifical mandate'' to ''shed complete light'' on whistleblowers, who have lifted the lid on alleged theft and false accounting.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/inquisition-unleashed-to-weed-out-vatican-leakers-201204...
Dan Brown, eat your heart out!
'TonyL
"A post is a free gift, and it will go where it pleases."'
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by desi , Australia, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 07:46 (417 days ago) @ Ynot
Oops!
I thought for a moment that they had an 'incontinence' problem within the Curia!
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by AnnieJ , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 13:07 (417 days ago) @ desi
You are naughty, Desi. 
Given their ages - all in the 80s - I'm wondering if they'll live to see the end of the enquiry. 
Annie
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Wonder if there are going to bring out the trusty torture racks from the days of the Inquisition stored in the Vatican Museum? Ratzinger probably kept them well oiled and in top working order.
Visualize the aged cardinals, with drool running out of sides of their mouths, salivating to turn the screws on the unsuspecting.
"Igor, take it up another notch or two. We'll break this heathen yet!"
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by gemstones , Sydney, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 08:18 (417 days ago) @ Journeyman
As someone recently threatened with a blowtorch to correct my heretical stance, I can't even raise a wry smile at this, Journeyman.
What the hell is wrong with these people, and how do we point out to them that they are about as far from God as it is possible to get?
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by curlie que , Monday, April 30, 2012, 09:20 (415 days ago) @ gemstones
Think they have Dementia!!!!
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by BobL , Brisbane (Australia), Saturday, April 28, 2012, 09:27 (417 days ago) @ Journeyman
One wonders at the enthusiasm and determination that can be mustered for this exercise.
... but then again, who really gives a ratz?
cheers
BobL
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Good one, Bob!
by CathyT , Adelaide, South Australia, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 10:16 (417 days ago) @ BobL
One wonders at the enthusiasm and determination that can be mustered for this exercise.
... but then again, who really gives a ratz?
Cathy Taggart
I splash in my poetry puddle
and try to keep God amused. - James Broughton
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by Debb , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 10:45 (417 days ago) @ Journeyman
Don't laugh, torture is not out of the question. The edicts that allowed it during the Inquisition have never been repealed. We might be about to live in interesting times indeed!
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I have long believed that if the death penalty were ever re-introduced into Australian society the government would have no difficulties finding people to play the role of the executioners, or the judges who order the executions. I have no doubt whatsoever that the same applies in the Church. If the Spanish Inquisition did ever return the institution would find no difficulties in finding people, even in very senior positions "to turn the screws".
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by PeterR , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 11:13 (417 days ago) @ Ynot
Just wondering.
Peter
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Me too, Peter, oh, me too. They are inverting the gospel of Jesus and the idiots don't even know they are.
Oh yet we trust that somehow good
Will be the final goal of ill
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by Alan , 'Between Joy and Paradise, Texas', Sunday, April 29, 2012, 05:16 (416 days ago) @ Oh Yet We Trust
. . . Jesus said something like, "You will know the truth and the truth will set you free."
A free person is not likely to genuflect when so ordered, or to enthusiastically kiss the bishop's backside.
It is in the Curia's best interest to keep anyone from telling the truth about their curious ways.
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'"Fairy tales do not teach children that dragons exist.
Children know that dragons exist.
They teach children that dragons can be killed."'
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by georgeh , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 11:31 (417 days ago) @ Ynot
Maybe the Vatican and the UK could learn from each other's Inquisitions right now, with the Murdoch affairs etc?!
georgeh
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What will the Inquisition do if they find out that the leakers were telling the truth, and it become too big for them to cover up? Will they hang the leakers in St Peter's Square, or simply let them have convenient illnessese and have to go into seclusion to convalesce (for the rest of their natural lives)?
J A Holznagel
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Need a big plank if you are gunna waterboard any of these bishops.[nt]
by Roy 
, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 11:53 (417 days ago) @ judith
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Wonder what they are going to do to the leaker/mole in Lismore hang him or her up by the ankles and beat their feet with a rod or exorcism the devil from them for being a traitor?
Macbee
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by AnnieJ , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:02 (417 days ago) @ georgeh
The Vatican could certaily learn from the Leveson enquiry - about openness and accountability.
The Vatican processes will be secret, the accused will never see the evidence, or be allowed to reply to it, the report will never be released to the public, but only to those at the top of the Vatican tree, the penalties will be imposed with no right of appeal, and those convicted will probably have to keep their conviction secret.
This is what has happened to the Irish priests and others. There's no reason to suppose that it will be different in this case.
And these are the methods used by those who proclaim truth and justice. 
Annie
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by georgeh , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 12:52 (417 days ago) @ AnnieJ
Thanks for that AnnieJ.
Then again Julian Assange is in trouble for revealing some secrets of our secular world, which doesn't go down well with the powers to be?!
The mushrooms need not know all?!
georgeh
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by AnnieJ , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 13:04 (417 days ago) @ georgeh
Alas, George, the mushroom business is flourishing everywhere. 
Annie
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by desi , Australia, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 13:37 (417 days ago) @ AnnieJ
The Vatican processes will be secret, the accused will never see the evidence, or be allowed to reply to it, the report will never be released to the public, but only to those at the top of the Vatican tree, the penalties will be imposed with no right of appeal, and those convicted will probably have to keep their conviction secret.
eg Bill Morris!
(At least he got in first with announcing his 'conviction').
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Assuming the the aged trio of Cardinals already named to head the inquiry are mainly for the PR photos, who will be the #2 & #3 level clerics actually drafting the proposed avenues of investigations & shaping the summaries of findings??
Those who do the bulk of the work will shape the facts in secret to bolster their biases.
The real language of the Curial Church isn't Latin, but Orwellian doublespeak!!
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who will be the #2 & #3 level clerics actually drafting the proposed avenues of investigations & shaping the summaries of findings??
Those who do the bulk of the work will shape the facts in secret to bolster their biases.
Kay,
You have put your finger where the leak is springing from. It's the lower level clerics who are the most efficient in doing the dirty work. They are the ones who are on the track to rise up and get the finer garments and pointed hats as they do their damaging work.
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by PeterR , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 13:10 (417 days ago) @ Ynot
Is this where Vaican Leakers will be forced to go?
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
Oh yet we trust that somehow good
Will be the final goal of ill
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by desi , Australia, Saturday, April 28, 2012, 20:17 (416 days ago) @ Oh Yet We Trust
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Oh yet we Trust
You should of heard the sound that came out of my mouth when i saw this!!! not exspected young man.
Macbee
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by Debb , Saturday, April 28, 2012, 18:11 (416 days ago) @ Ynot
In yesterday The Drum (ABC) John Pilger wrote about the spread of global authoritarianism, so that citizenship has been effectively abolished. Hard-hitting article. "What are you going to do about it?" asks Pilger.
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by georgeh , Sunday, April 29, 2012, 08:32 (416 days ago) @ Debb
Freedom has always been restricted and is conditional,I feel?!
With modern technology the restriction could be emore suttle?!
Individuals can do very little?!
georgeh
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The 'I' word might have been mentioned only half seriously, but perhaps we should be looking more closely at what is happening in the Church and comparing it with previous Church Inquisitions (a quick Google tells me there was more than one). What goes around comes around again.
Can the historians among us tell us if the present goings-on from Rome bear similarity to any of the previous inquisitions. If so, what can we learn about how to counter these moves ( a Christian Spring, mediated by the Internet???) or whether to just let it run it's course.
It may end up destroying the Church, though that has not happened in the past. At least it cannot destroy the teaching of Jesus.
The question remains however: what lessons can we learn from previous inquisitions to handle the present one?
Sue
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by PatrickW , Monday, April 30, 2012, 09:05 (415 days ago) @ Sue
The 'I' word might have been mentioned only half seriously, but perhaps we should be looking more closely at what is happening in the Church and comparing it with previous Church Inquisitions (a quick Google tells me there was more than one). What goes around comes around again.
Can the historians among us tell us if the present goings-on from Rome bear similarity to any of the previous inquisitions. If so, what can we learn about how to counter these moves ( a Christian Spring, mediated by the Internet???) or whether to just let it run it's course.
It may end up destroying the Church, though that has not happened in the past. At least it cannot destroy the teaching of Jesus.
The question remains however: what lessons can we learn from previous inquisitions to handle the present one?
Sue
for some modern stories read Paul Collins"From Inquisition to "Freedom"
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