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<title>&quot;What planet are these men living on? &quot;</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by desi, Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 19:19:</em></p><p><p>It would be interesting to do an Internet search of the Bible with any of the words/phrases below:</p>
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<em>concelebration</em></p>
<p><em>Mass</em></p>
<p><em>priests concelebrating Mass</em></p>
<p><em>the structure desired by the Lord </em> </p>
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PS</p>
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There again one could do the same search with words such as Pope, Cardinal, Magisterium, Curia, infallible, etc, etc, etc</p>
<p>And with the same result.</p>
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<title>desi: &quot;What planet are these men living on? &quot;</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by PeterR, Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 19:09:</em></p><p><p>Not the one presented to the whole Church by Vatican II, a Council of the Church.</p>
<p>Peter</p>
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<title>&quot;The liturgy ... will be beautiful when it is true and authentic&quot;</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by desi, Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 19:06:</em></p><p><p>As long as you are FTTM then it's 'true and authentic'.</p>
<p>Having read the 'piece', here's something else to be really worried about!</p>
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</p><p class="citation"> I also had another question asked regarding the concelebration of Mass: why, for example, if a thousand priests concelebrate, do we not yet know whether this structure was desired by the Lord?”</p><p></p>
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WHAT! (I said to myself).</p>
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And with the next sentence he compounds the nonsense.</p>
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</p><p class="citation">The question is precisely one of keeping “the structure desired by the Lord”, </p><p></p>
<p>What planet are these men living on?</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:06:24 +1100</pubDate>
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<title>&quot;The liturgy ... will be beautiful when it is true and authentic&quot;</title>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by Patrick Nunan, Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 18:55:</em></p><p><p>I seem to be missing the point of the Cardinal's comments but when he says &quot; That is to say: the liturgy, and within it the act of concelebration, will be beautiful when it is true and authentic, when its innate splendour is really reflected.&quot;<br />
&quot; true and authentic&quot; to what?</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by Journeyman, Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 04:23:</em></p><p><p>I find Cañizares paper to be representative of the hierarchical mindset anchored in the fantasy world they revel in.</p>
<p></p><p class="citation">&quot;the liturgy is a gift from God. <strong>It is not something fabricated by us men;</strong>&quot;</p><p></p>
<p>I wonder if God herself, actually wrote the liturgy for us???</p>
<p></p><p class="citation">“we must learn to understand the structure of the Liturgy and why it is laid out as it is. The Liturgy developed in the course of two millennia, and even after the Reformation was not simply something worked out by a few liturgists.</p><p></p>
<p>He fails to understand that the recent changes in the English language liturgy was hijacked by a small group within the Roman Curia who listen intently to a very narrow minded remnant of orthodox laity who wish, like the bishops, to return to medieval days of <em><strong>smells, bells and fiddle-back vestments.<br />
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Bishops around the world have been turned into eunuchs by Rome. To become a bishop, before having the pointed hat placed on their head, one had to deliver his gonads on a silver plate to the pope.  I wonder if their gonads are then locked in the Vatican Secret Archives and cataloged by which pope castrated the most.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Posting by Helen, Wednesday, March 07, 2012, 01:59:</em></p><p><p><a href="http://www.zenit.org/article-34403?l=english" target="_blank">http://www.zenit.org/article-34403?l=english</a><br />
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For each priest, the celebration of the Holy Mass is the reason for his existence. It is, it must be, an entirely personal encounter with the Lord and with his redemptive work. <strong>At the same time, each priest, in the celebration of the Eucharist, is Christ himself present in the Church as Head of his body; </strong>and he also acts in the name of the whole Church “when presenting to God the prayer of the Church, and above all when offering the Eucharistic sacrifice”. When we experience the wonder of the Eucharistic gift, which transforms us and configures us to Christ, <strong>there is only room for amazement, gratitude and obedience</strong>. </p><p></p>
<p>Clericalism is still alive and being promoted.  Is this the vision of priesthood that will carry the Church through the rest of the 21st century? </p>
<p>Helen</p>
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