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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by judith, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 21:30:</em></p><p><p>I have felt uneasy with the words in &quot;Faith of Our Fathers&quot; which ask that our children also become martyrs.</p>
<p>&quot;How sweet would be their children's fate<br />
 If they,like them, could die for Thee?&quot; </p>
<p>Hardly the prayer to or from a loving father.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by curlie que, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 19:20:</em></p><p><p>Brave woman, indeed, well done<img src="images/smilies/frown.png" alt=":-(" /> <img src="images/smilies/angry.png" alt=":angry:" /> <img src="images/smilies/confused.gif" alt=":confused:" /> <img src="images/smilies/crying.gif" alt=":crying:" /> <img src="images/smilies/no.gif" alt=":no:" /> <img src="images/smilies/ok.gif" alt=":ok:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/sad_smile.gif" alt=":sad:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/confused_smile.gif" alt=":confused2:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/what_smile.gif" alt=":wtf:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/cry_smile.gif" alt=":cry:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/48_48.gif" alt=":teeth:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/50_50.gif" alt=":sarcastic:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/broken_heart.gif" alt=":brokenheart:" /> <img src="images/smilies/emoticons/wilted_rose.gif" alt=":wilted:" /> <img src="images/smilies/gaah.gif" alt=":gaah:" /></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by Helen, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 18:55:</em></p><p><p>Yer a brave woman Sandra <img src="images/smilies/ok.gif" alt=":ok:" /> <img src="images/smilies/ok.gif" alt=":ok:" /></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by desi, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 17:21:</em></p><p><p><img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /> <img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /> <img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /> <img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /> <img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /> <img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /> <img src="images/smilies/clap.gif" alt=":clap:" /></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by Sandra, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 17:08:</em></p><p><p>FAITH OF OUR MOTHERS</p>
<p>Faith of our Mothers living still,<br />
in spite of hunger, rape and strife<br />
Oh, how our hearts beat high with fear<br />
Whene’er we hear the paedophile near <br />
REFRAIN: Faith of our Mothers, holy faith<br />
We will be cleaning until death.</p>
<p>Faith of our Mothers, we will slave, <br />
to clean the floors and sanctuary<br />
And through the pain, the dirt and slog<br />
We then shall all need two new knees.<br />
REFRAIN: Faith of our Mothers, holy faith<br />
We will be dusting until death.</p>
<p>3. Faith of our Mothers, we will love<br />
The abused and all women demeaned<br />
And as we rearrange the flowers<br />
We remember those who died for thee<br />
REFRAIN: Faith of our Mothers, holy faith<br />
We will be loving until death.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by PatrickW, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 10:57:</em></p><p><blockquote><p><span style="color:#33f;"> Some good laughs. I'll jsut add one of my favourites:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#33f;">Oh Mother, I could weep for mirth, <br />
Joy fills my heart so fast...</span></p>
</blockquote><p>...my soul today is heaven  on earth<br />
   O could the transport last.</p>
<p>I haven't been to western |Sydney for many years, but there I regularly heard -</p>
<p>...on this day we give thee our love<br />
   near thee Madonna fondly we hover<br />
   trusting thy gentle care to prove.</p>
<p>But getting away from hymns, in |Daphne du Maurier's &quot;Way of the Cross&quot; an elderly lady on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem sees a young lady peeling an orange and throwing the skin on the ground - &quot;Ö how |Our Lady would have hated litter!</p>
<p>[If you haven't read the story, it's about a party of pilgrims, and except for one young boy [the only one to actually study for the visit, except perhaps the priest from the Liverpool dock area], all the rest including the priest personally experienced the way of the cross. Guides helpfully directed the people to <em>via dolorosa</em> - the way of the cross.]</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by Ynot, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 10:37:</em></p><p><p>Some good laughs. I'll jsut add one of my favourites:</p>
<p>Oh Mother, I could weep for mirth, <br />
Joy fills my heart so fast...</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by cazza, Sunday, July 01, 2012, 06:52:</em></p><p><p>Marian hymns can cause embarrassment.In England during the reign of Queen Victoria a portly bishop was welcomed by the church choir's singing<br />
 &quot;This is the image of our queen&quot;.Was he amused? I wonder.<br />
Maybe not as scandalous a situation as the Children of Mary choir , with a limited repertoire, invited to sing at a wedding ,who chose a popular mission hymn as the bride came down the aisle <br />
Jesus my Lord,behold at length the time,<br />
when I resolve to turn away from crime  <br />
O pardon me Jesus  etc etc<br />
I remembered phrases from old hymns e.g.&quot;Oh could the transport last?&quot; which had nothing to do with buses or trains, and &quot;triumph in the sky&quot; which was not about motorcycles.<br />
Ah sweet memories!<br />
Cazza</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by BobL, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 13:40:</em></p><p><p>Years ago I read an article by Marist Br Charles Howard where he wrote about Mary as <span style="color:#009;"><em><strong>the woman with dirt on her feet</strong></em></span>. This is completely different to the plaster and statue stuff that often masquerades as devotion to Mary.</p>
<p>Many Marian songs contain a huge and embarrassing cringe factor. This is often because they miss the mark and make Mary the object of the song / devotion - complete with gratuitous titles. True devotion to Mary makes <span style="color:#009;"><em><strong>Jesus and His message</strong></em></span> the focus. Mary is simply an example and a means to <span style="color:#009;"><em><strong>that</strong></em></span> end.</p>
<p>Songs got a mention in the article. I do not know the one mentioned ... but have grown to really like this one: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtWgM4yvE0&amp;feature=relmfu" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtWgM4yvE0&amp;feature=relmfu</a></p>
<p>Cheers<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by judith, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 13:02:</em></p><p><p>Mentioning the hymn &quot;Bring Flowers of the Fairest&quot; reminded me of learning it at primary school in the late 1940s ,then never hearing it again till 1996 when, at a Mass in Barraniskey in Co Wicklow (ancestral homeland), the priest asked us to join in,as it was the first Sunday in May.  It became a duet between him and me, as either no one else knew it, or no one else was silly enough to join in, to the great amusement of my (Lutheran) husband. </p>
<p>There has been a great deal of tripe  built up around Mary and one of the best retreat days I remember was given by the late Father Kevin Ryan, called &quot;Mary, Plaster Saint or Real Woman?&quot;  Really an eye-opener about how hard life would have been for her, and how far out is the plaster statue image we see too often.</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by BobL, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 11:57:</em></p><p><p>As an event for grades 3, 4 and 5 I think this sort of thing has some (much ?) merit. If it is taken beyond that age / class it may in fact become counter-productive and leave kids thinking that Mary is the fourth person of the Blessed Trinity.</p>
<p>For those who would knock this sort of practice, please think of what could replace it. Remember, kids that age are incapable of understanding or living the full Gospel message. Parents and teachers have to present to the kids in a manner that captures their imagination. Processions and capes can help here.</p>
<p>The object is to see Mary as having a special and vibrant place in Christian living. Even the Vatican II constitution on the Church devoted one of its twelve chapters to Mary's place in the Church. One message in that chapter included the directive to wind back the BS and superstitions that had built up over the decades. (Not in those exact words!)</p>
<p>As the kids get older they can be guided to living the Gospels like Mary did! There is everything right and certainly nothing wrong with imitating the attitudes and practices of the person often described as being Jesus' First Disciple.</p>
<p>If the devotions to Mary remain at grade 3 level and full of processions and capes then it can do much harm. If used as building block to finding Jesus ... then it can be a powerful tool for good.</p>
<p>IMHO</p>
<p>cheers<br />
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Reply by desi, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 11:31:</em></p><p><p>I looked at the picture and (seriously) wondered which country it had taken place in, I had no idea it was Australia/Perth!</p>
<p></p><p class="citation">Father Paul Fox, Director of the College and Chair of its board, began proceedings by blessing the capes, sashes, Our Lady’s Crown, and the Miraculous Medals.</p><p></p>
<p>What can one say!</p>
<p>Well, how about this!</p>
<p></p><p class="citation">The children’s sky-blue capes cut a smart contrast against the green of the college play area as the students made their way along the fence line, praying as they went.</p><p></p>
<p>Ah!</p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Posting by Helen, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 01:23:</em></p><p><p><a href="http://www.therecord.com.au/site/index.php/Parish/day-for-mary-s-little-troopers" target="_blank">http://www.therecord.com.au/site/index.php/Parish/day-for-mary-s-little-troopers</a></p>
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I am sure the kids loved it - and I don't want to put a dampner on their day, but this really is back to the future in a rush.</p>
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