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"Real reform has to start in Rome"... (Main Forum)

by Brian Coyne , LINDEN, NSW, Tuesday, October 25, 2011, 13:43 (604 days ago) @ Brian Coyne

Just re-reading what you wrote again back in October: you disagreed with Hans Küng's suggestion in your book that "real reform has to start in Rome". I actually agree with Hans Küng. But I also think that's precisely now why there will be no reform. The church is no longer an agency in the world recruiting from the ranks of "the best and brightest". The "best and brightest" left decades ago. (We've just had a book published in Australia a few months ago that despite the active discouragement from the institutional leadership to advertise it or promote it has been selling very well. It's the story of Roger Pryke. That book could almost be described as one of the definitive explorations of the exit of "the best and brightest".) Those who've greased their way up the hierarchical ladder will never "get it". Neither will the company men who've lost their voice.

I agree with Hans Küng in that if there was to be reform of the institution it has to be encouraged from the top. That is totally unlikely to happen. As I've written before, these guys will be being frog-marched into Hades for their stewardship and still totally convinced the Almighty has rewarded them with Paradise and the 95% who have "bugged off" are the ones on their way to Hades. Not even Jesus or the Almighty might convince them that they had misread the script if the 86% who have already walked out the door can't send them a message they understand.

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The discussion on "emerging church" or church in "terminal decline"... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-24, 11:51
- Doing some motherly homework - Angela, 2011-10-22, 18:00
  - Do know if this will help...but is a try ;) - Roy, 2011-10-22, 18:58
    - Don't know if this will help? - desi, 2011-10-22, 19:30
  - The "emergent church": is it a reality? - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-22, 20:39
  - Fr Richard Rohr on the emerging church - Dolores, 2011-10-23, 02:31
    - Two contrasting views of "the emerging church".... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-23, 08:44
      - A further thought — Michael Dowd's "Evolutionary Christianity" series.... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-23, 09:27
        I have just read your post, Angela, and am sure all the information will help. - Bill Dowsley, 2011-10-23, 14:57
      - Two contrasting views of "the emerging church".... - Dolores, 2011-10-23, 14:54
        Two contrasting views of "the emerging church".... - BarryS, 2011-10-23, 15:05
        Thank you all so very very much - Angela, 2011-10-23, 20:19
        An institution reduced to effective silence on key issues people would like discussed.... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-24, 03:04
        Is it just trying to do too much? - Dolores, 2011-10-24, 04:16
        A Godincidence if ever there was one ! - Angela, 2011-10-24, 06:31
        Thank you for your "wakeup call". - ray(O), 2011-10-24, 11:10
        Thank you for your "wakeup call". - Angela, 2011-10-24, 11:28
        An institution reduced to effective silence on key issues people would like discussed.... - flagrantheretic, 2011-10-25, 11:11
        An institution reduced to effective silence on key issues people would like discussed.... - Jerome, 2011-10-25, 21:33
    - Fr Richard Rohr on the emerging church - Journeyman, 2011-10-24, 13:34
      - Fr Richard Rohr on the emerging church - Journeyman, 2011-10-24, 14:03
- A discussion with Bob Kaiser and Tom McMahon on this "emergent church" business.... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-25, 01:23
  - Further response to Kaiser... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-25, 02:12
    - Like its 1699 - Angela, 2011-10-25, 06:38
      - "Like its 1699" not a misprint.. - Angela, 2011-10-25, 16:37
        "Like its 1699" not a misprint.. - Milly, 2011-10-25, 23:20
        "Like its 1699" - sorry, I don't get it. - CathyT, 2011-10-26, 00:41
        "Like its 1699" - my take - Angela, 2011-10-26, 01:10
        Edited with YouTube link - Milly, 2011-10-26, 01:33
        "Like its 1699" - my take - Angela, 2011-10-26, 06:26
        Thank you Angela and Milly - CathyT, 2011-10-26, 16:35
    - The other scenario that's a possibility... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-25, 09:40
      - The other scenario that's a possibility... - georgeh, 2011-10-25, 09:58
      - The other scenario that's a possibility... - desi, 2011-10-25, 10:29
      - The other scenario that's a possibility... - judith, 2011-10-25, 11:08
      - The other scenario that's a possibility... - James, 2011-10-25, 11:26
        The other scenario that's a possibility... - judith, 2011-10-25, 11:31
  - "Real reform has to start in Rome"... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-25, 13:43
    - "Real reform has to start in Rome?!!!"... - Tom Lee, 2011-10-25, 22:12
      - A few things to cheer about... - Brian Coyne, 2011-10-25, 22:27
        A few things to cheer about... - judith, 2011-10-25, 22:57
        A few things to cheer about... - georgeh, 2011-10-26, 08:38

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