He might have been Son of God but was He God incarnate? (Main Forum)
I meant in my last post with the video clips to still be questioning the belief that Jesus is God - I know there was no problem with scripture saying Jesus was the Son of God.
Vynette, in case I am one of the ones you are concerned about this being 'disturbing", don't be, it is the very thing we all need to be nutting out.
My question still remains though, was/is Jesus, God, as in Thomas' declaration of "My Lord and my God" when he met Jesus Christ "in the risen flesh" so to speak.
For me, still, while there is no direct reference to Jesus as God in the gospels (except perhaps the one above - the one declared by a more scientifically inclined doubter, there is more to suggest that Jesus was that there is to suggest he wasn't. Add to that the perception of Jesus as God which developed almost immediately after his death and resurrection and I again come back to the question: Why is believing Jesus to be God such a problem? Is it simply that we can't/don't want to cope with or accept such an unscientific, trans/super-natural event, even though we believe in a God. An atheist has every reason to doubt Jesus being God, Christians don't - without this central belief, I can see no reason for or power behind Christianity.
But I await further input, however, I am rather overwhelmed by it all and because of other things in my life but will try to keep apace and listen more. I am, as I have said before, not a scholar in this area but I believe as a man (not) in the pews, my/our perceptions are important, too. God/Jesus does not just speak through the magesterium, the priest or the scholar, does He? We ordinary folk can know/relate to God as well, can't we?
Stephen
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Oh yet we trust that somehow good
Will be the final goal of ill
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- Salvation string (Moved to the front page again) - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-05, 02:26
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- A question for Peter (and others) - ray(O), 2010-01-30, 14:18
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- A question for Peter (and others) - PeterR, 2010-01-30, 14:26
- A bit of (impossible) forgotten salvation history - PeterR, 2010-01-30, 14:23
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- SOME (POTENTIALLY) FUNDAMENTALIST THEMES IN SALVATION HISTORY - PeterR, 2010-01-31, 12:41
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- A question for Peter (and others) - ray(O), 2010-01-30, 14:18
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- Scripture as blueprint for navigating Life... - Brian Coyne, 2010-01-30, 23:40
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- Scripture as blueprint for navigating Life... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-01, 11:02
- Scripture as blueprint for navigating Life... - gemstones, 2010-02-01, 09:22
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- "Junking" Israel's history... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-01, 16:00
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- Scripture as blueprint for navigating Life... - Kaiser, 2010-02-01, 06:35
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- What is salvation? Where does Jesus fit in? - Part 1 - PeterR, 2010-02-01, 15:56
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- What is salvation? Where does Jesus fit in? - Part 2 - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-01, 23:42
- What is salvation? Where does Jesus fit in? - Part 2 - PeterR, 2010-02-01, 16:04
- As they say - "The question still remains".... - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-03, 20:23
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- White and very obvious.... - vynette, 2010-02-04, 16:37
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- But was Jesus obvious and was his tactic one full of purpose? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-04, 18:57
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- a suggestion - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-05, 10:43
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- an answer that isn't!....TGIF tangent! - Liz, 2010-02-05, 13:38
- an answer that isn't! - old robe, 2010-02-05, 12:02
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- a suggestion - old robe, 2010-02-05, 07:55
- But was Jesus obvious and was his tactic one full of purpose? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-04, 18:57
- White and very obvious.... - vynette, 2010-02-04, 16:37
- Scripture as blueprint for navigating Life... - Englishwoman, 2010-01-31, 17:59
- Scripture as blueprint for navigating Life... - Brian Coyne, 2010-01-30, 23:40
- A question from Vynette - vynette, 2010-01-30, 20:14
- Article on the pottery shard to which herbie referred - Brian Coyne, 2010-01-30, 18:49
- Just letting you know - Liz, 2010-01-30, 11:07
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- Some may find some answers here. The above thread in a broader context. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 09:32
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- The third article, (with a little extra) - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 09:33
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- A little more of an explanation of why I posted these articles here. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 11:00
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- A reflection - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 14:08
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- I'm interested! - vynette, 2010-02-02, 18:33
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- More meat please, Vynette (and Herbie and Ian et al). - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 19:27
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- More meat please, Vynette (and Herbie and Ian et al). - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 19:27
- I'm interested! - vynette, 2010-02-02, 18:33
- I'm interested! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 17:44
- A reflection - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 14:08
- The third article, (with a little extra) - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-02, 09:33
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- DISCOVERY: ALL OF "NEBUCHADNEZZARS'S DREAM" IS ON THE NET - PeterR, 2010-02-04, 13:15
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- DISCOVERY: ALL OF "NEBUCHADNEZZARS'S DREAM" IS ON THE NET - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-04, 15:28
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- Downhill from Brian ... threatening skies .... - PeterR, 2010-02-04, 17:37
- DISCOVERY: ALL OF "NEBUCHADNEZZARS'S DREAM" IS ON THE NET - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-04, 15:28
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- Not in Nebuchadnezzar's presence - herbie, 2010-02-04, 23:11
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- What actually is 'salvation'? - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-04, 23:48
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- What actually is 'salvation'? - vynette, 2010-02-05, 15:33
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- Obedience - PeterR, 2010-02-05, 17:36
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- Peter, it IS a subtle distinction... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-05, 18:54
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- Peter, it IS a subtle distinction... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-05, 18:54
- What actually is 'salvation'? - vynette, 2010-02-07, 09:58
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- He might have been Son of God but was He God incarnate? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-07, 11:01
- No... - vynette, 2010-02-07, 14:16
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- Author! Author! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-07, 15:49
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- "Was Jesus Divine?" - Liz, 2010-02-07, 18:32
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- "Was Jesus Divine?"...again "No" - vynette, 2010-02-08, 07:49
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- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - Liz, 2010-02-08, 13:09
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- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - vynette, 2010-02-08, 14:10
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- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - Liz, 2010-02-08, 15:23
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- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - vynette, 2010-02-08, 20:27
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- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - vynette, 2010-02-08, 20:27
- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - Liz, 2010-02-08, 15:23
- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - vynette, 2010-02-08, 14:10
- "Was Jesus Divine?" What does this mean? - Liz, 2010-02-08, 13:09
- "Was Jesus Divine?"...again "No" - vynette, 2010-02-08, 07:49
- "Was Jesus Divine?" - Liz, 2010-02-07, 18:32
- Author! Author! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-07, 15:49
- No... - vynette, 2010-02-07, 14:16
- What actually is 'salvation'? - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-07, 15:58
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- He might have been Son of God but was He God incarnate? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-07, 11:01
- Obedience - PeterR, 2010-02-05, 17:36
- Does anyone want Jesus to be God? This is big stuff for me. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-05, 18:25
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- Does anyone want Jesus to be God? This is big stuff for me. - Liz, 2010-02-05, 19:31
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- Some thoughts in response to your question... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-06, 03:13
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- Some thoughts in response to your question... - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-06, 04:41
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- Some thoughts in response to your question... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-06, 11:12
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- When did Christians first believe Jesus was the Son of God? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-06, 11:27
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- When did Christians first believe Jesus was the Son of God? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-06, 11:27
- Some thoughts in response to your question... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-06, 11:12
- Some thoughts in response to your question... - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-06, 04:41
- Does anyone want Jesus to be God? This is big stuff for me. - Liz, 2010-02-05, 19:31
- What actually is 'salvation'? - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-05, 16:08
- What actually is 'salvation'? - vynette, 2010-02-05, 15:33
- What actually is 'salvation'? - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-04, 23:48
- From child/parent to brother/sister in Christ concepts of sin and salvation. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-05, 10:12
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- The origins, and meaning, of the story of the Fall... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-07, 16:41
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- Hide and/or Seek (and Find) - it's up to us: We're free to choose. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-07, 18:24
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- Hide and/or Seek (and Find) - it's up to us: We're free to choose. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2010-02-07, 18:24
- The origins, and meaning, of the story of the Fall... - Brian Coyne, 2010-02-07, 16:41
- DISCOVERY: ALL OF "NEBUCHADNEZZARS'S DREAM" IS ON THE NET - PeterR, 2010-02-04, 13:15
- After all that, what is salvation? - PeterR, 2010-02-06, 17:19
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- Just letting you know I'm ok - herbie, 2010-01-29, 22:06
- Salvation string (Moved to the front page again) - Tom McMahon, 2010-02-09, 10:19
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- Some questions to herbie - PeterR, 2010-01-29, 19:27
















