Independent Catholics...A summary (Main Forum)
Dear Friends,
Thank you everyone for your thoughtful responses. So much good, positive stuff there. I've tried to distil and condense the points you have made. Let me know if you think I have left out anything important, or think of something else that should have been added.
Being an independent Catholic means:
- having gone through the sacraments of initiation
- having Catholicism as one's religious mother-tongue
- being part of a community, a community of saints both past and present, from which one cannot be excluded, or enslaved, by any priest or bishop.
- being part of a community that respects individual conscience as the voice of the spirit and seeks to understand the teachings of Jesus as a way of life, rather than a set of beliefs and rules
- moving beyond Catholicism as a belief system, a tribal system, or as a security blanket, and seeing it more as a way to a fulfilling life
- discarding many traditional Catholic beliefs and dogmas, and rethinking others, including fundamental beliefs about God and Jesus. A search for truth.
- being able to openly share our thoughts, hopes, disappointments and discuss the big questions about the meaning of life
- recognizing that pain and suffering are a part of life and seeking wisdom and consolation in our sacred books, prayer practices and liturgy, and sometimes beyond those, in other traditions
- being pilgrims in the company of other pilgrims, seeking new ways of being community as we walk together
- having a sense that the Church has left us, rather than that we have left the Church.
I'd like to end with Jane's post which I think summed it all up pretty well.
"Whatever Catholica is seeking to do, the one thing I admire about it is that it gives people a chance to reflect and converse about their faith lives, the institutional Church and what's going in the world. It's beyond individual isolation and a much much better community environment than what is offered by the institutional church. Its neither about being socially isoalted or communally overwhelmed. In a nutshell, it puts the catholic back into the Catholic."
Sue
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- Independent Catholics? - Sue, 2012-06-10, 16:07
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- Independent Catholics? - Enda, 2012-06-10, 16:49
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- Independent Catholics? - James, 2012-06-10, 18:06
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- My sense of where I am today in this religious or spiritual quest... - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-10, 22:17
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- My sense of where I am today in this religious or spiritual quest... - Sue, 2012-06-11, 22:30
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- My sense of where I am today in this religious or spiritual quest... - Sue, 2012-06-11, 22:30
- Independent Catholics? - Enda, 2012-06-11, 11:10
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- Independent Catholics? - George Haydock, 2012-06-11, 15:59
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- Independent Catholics? - AnnieJ, 2012-06-11, 16:35
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- Independent Catholics? - Francis, 2012-06-11, 21:29
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- Independent Catholics? - AnnieJ, 2012-06-11, 16:35
- Independent Catholics? - George Haydock, 2012-06-11, 15:59
- Independent Catholics? - Sue, 2012-06-11, 21:15
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- Independent Catholics? - Francis, 2012-06-11, 21:36
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- Independent Catholics? - James, 2012-06-11, 22:07
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- A belief system; a tribal/identification system; a security system? - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-11, 22:39
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- A belief system; a tribal/identification system; a security system? - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-11, 22:39
- Independent Catholics? - Francis, 2012-06-11, 21:36
- My sense of where I am today in this religious or spiritual quest... - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-10, 22:17
- Independent Catholics? - Helen, 2012-06-11, 01:19
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- Independent Catholics? - MarieV, 2012-06-11, 09:45
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- Independent Catholics? - judith, 2012-06-11, 15:45
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- Independent Catholics? - MarieV, 2012-06-11, 09:45
- Independent Catholics? - Sue, 2012-06-11, 21:03
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- Independent Catholics? - Ian Lawther, 2012-06-13, 10:16
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- Independent Catholics? - James, 2012-06-10, 18:06
- Independent Catholics? - PeterR, 2012-06-10, 19:06
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- Independent Catholics? - curlie que, 2012-06-10, 19:11
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- Independent Catholics? - curlie que, 2012-06-10, 19:11
- Independent Catholics? - Milly, 2012-06-12, 05:53
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- +Pat Power's interview on ABC Radio... - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-12, 08:23
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- More INTER-DEPENDENT Christianity would lead to less breakdown. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-06-12, 08:37
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- More INTER-DEPENDENT Christianity would lead to less breakdown. - judith, 2012-06-12, 09:00
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- More INTER-DEPENDENT Christianity would lead to less breakdown. - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-12, 12:03
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- More INTER-DEPENDENT Christianity would lead to less breakdown. - judith, 2012-06-12, 09:00
- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-12, 08:56
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- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Roy, 2012-06-12, 10:09
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- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Francis, 2012-06-12, 10:25
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- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-06-12, 10:37
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- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-06-12, 10:37
- Out of sight out of mind, and that's how we like it. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-06-12, 10:34
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- Answering Sue - Enda, 2012-06-12, 10:52
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- Answering Enda - Helen, 2012-06-12, 11:08
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- Answering Enda - Francis, 2012-06-12, 11:34
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- Answering Enda - judith, 2012-06-12, 19:38
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- Answering Enda - Francis, 2012-06-12, 11:34
- I'd lerv to see what you wife has to write, Enda... - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-12, 11:21
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- Answering Sue - gemstones, 2012-06-12, 12:17
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- Answering Enda - Helen, 2012-06-12, 11:08
- Out of sight out of mind, and that's how we like it. - Roy, 2012-06-12, 11:04
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- Answering Sue - Enda, 2012-06-12, 10:52
- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - judith, 2012-06-12, 19:40
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- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Francis, 2012-06-12, 10:25
- Actually don't blame the Italians, the Spanish, the Greeks and the Irish - Roy, 2012-06-12, 10:09
- +Pat Power's interview on ABC Radio... - PeterR, 2012-06-12, 17:21
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- More INTER-DEPENDENT Christianity would lead to less breakdown. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-06-12, 08:37
- Independent Catholics? - Jane, 2012-06-12, 11:20
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - Sue, 2012-06-12, 21:38
- Independent Catholics...A summary - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-12, 22:14
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- Independent Catholics...A description - Ynot, 2012-06-12, 23:01
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - clommer, 2012-06-13, 00:10
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - Helen, 2012-06-13, 00:55
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - clommer, 2012-06-13, 10:41
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - Ynot, 2012-06-13, 10:54
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - Helen, 2012-06-13, 10:58
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - curlie que, 2012-06-13, 13:53
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - clommer, 2012-06-13, 15:43
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - clommer, 2012-06-13, 15:43
- Independent Catholics...A summary - Ynot, 2012-06-13, 10:54
- Independent Catholics...A summary - clommer, 2012-06-13, 10:41
- Independent Catholics...A summary - judith, 2012-06-13, 08:20
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- Independent Catholics...A summary - Helen, 2012-06-13, 00:55
- Independent Catholics...A summary - Brian Coyne, 2012-06-12, 22:14
- Another thought... - Milly, 2012-06-13, 04:33
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- Another thought... - Roy, 2012-06-13, 09:57
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- Another thought... - Jane, 2012-06-13, 11:18
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- Another thought... - Macbee, 2012-06-13, 11:44
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- Another thought... - judith, 2012-06-13, 21:16
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- Another thought... - Macbee, 2012-06-13, 11:44
- Another thought... - Roy, 2012-06-13, 09:57
- Independent Catholics? - Enda, 2012-06-10, 16:49
















