Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....a question (Main Forum)
The Commission is given wide-ranging powers to require anyone to give evidence on the penalty that if they refuse to cooperate there will be a significant cost — like a lengthy stint in jail.
However here's something interesting.
The Catholic Church does not "legally" exist.
I support Judy Courtin in her call for a royal commission of inquiry into the Catholic Church cover-up of clergy sexual abuse in Victoria.
In her article (the Age 14/4) entitled "The truth deserves a commission" Judy listed the clever legal blockade that Pell's "Melbourne Response" established to protect itself from litigation by victims of sexual abuse.
The bulwark of this Eureka stockade is smart bit of legal creativity . Judy wrote:-
"The Catholic Church cannot be charged because it does not "legally" exist."
What a smart move! The legal eagles have designed a cute nonexistent entity. But when you really think it through, it poses lots of other legitimate questions like:-
• If you can't sue it, how come you can pay it?
• How come the Fed and State Governments can continue to pour billions of taxpayer dollars into the Schools, Hospitals and Nursing Homes of an entity that does not "legally " exist?
• How come all levels of Government are able to "gift" millions of taxpayer dollars for projects like the recent expansion/ repairs of St Mary's Cathedral in Perth (total about $42m) and the Basilica in Fremantle, both owned by an organisation that does not "legally" exist?
• How can anybody be so stupid as to believe in or attend a Church that does not "legally" exist?
This smart move may not turn out to be so smart if Govt. subsidies get turned off. But on the other hand turning off the water could be quite exhilarating, even perhaps a catalyst for a little bit of honesty.
Beehive
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- Reasons for royal commission in Victoria - Judy Courtin - Ynot, 2012-04-14, 07:43
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- they want the truth to be told, the whole truth and nothing but the truth - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 07:52
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- A list tragic (wish I could say it in LATIN - might get through then) - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 07:59
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 08:41
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Roy, 2012-04-14, 09:14
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 09:22
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Roy, 2012-04-14, 10:03
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Roy, 2012-04-14, 10:03
- Why they sent the ex police inspector (who was boss of this area) - Roy, 2012-04-14, 09:46
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 09:22
- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Roy, 2012-04-14, 09:14
- A list tragic (wish I could say it in LATIN - might get through then) - Helen, 2012-04-14, 10:59
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- Roy just read your case on Broken Rites - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 08:41
- A list tragic (wish I could say it in LATIN - might get through then) - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 07:59
- Chrissie and Anthony interviewed on 7.30 report. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 07:54
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- 7.30 Victoria? - Macbee, 2012-04-14, 09:58
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- Chrissie and Anthony interviewed on 7.30 report. - Brian Coyne, 2012-04-14, 10:33
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- 7.30 Victoria? - Macbee, 2012-04-14, 09:58
- Reasons for royal commission in Victoria - Judy Courtin - Beehive, 2012-04-14, 08:04
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- stop these suicides Website - Ynot, 2012-04-14, 11:01
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- stop these suicides Website - Ynot, 2012-04-14, 11:01
- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment..... - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 09:47
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- What is the link between these abusers and conservatism? - Brian Coyne, 2012-04-14, 10:56
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- It would be an interesting and worthwhile study for someone. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 12:18
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- It would be an interesting and worthwhile study for someone. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 12:18
- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....a question - desi, 2012-04-14, 11:04
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- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....a question - Brian Coyne, 2012-04-14, 11:08
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- If it's a matter of money - Enda, 2012-04-14, 12:12
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- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....another question - desi, 2012-04-14, 12:24
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- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....another question - James, 2012-04-14, 12:47
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- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....another question - judith, 2012-04-14, 13:08
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- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....another question - judith, 2012-04-14, 13:08
- If it's spilling out of your pockets Enda ...there are a few who do it on a shoe string,. - Roy, 2012-04-14, 12:54
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- stopthese suicides - Ynot, 2012-04-14, 13:48
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- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS?? - kaythegardener, 2012-04-14, 14:04
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- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS?...You don't think that the CDF has asked him to...! - desi, 2012-04-14, 14:27
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- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS - Lay your bets pleeeze - Helen, 2012-04-14, 19:55
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- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS - Lay your bets pleeeze - Helen, 2012-04-14, 19:55
- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS?? - Macbee, 2012-04-14, 15:50
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- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS?...You don't think that the CDF has asked him to...! - desi, 2012-04-14, 14:27
- stopthese suicides - Roy, 2012-04-14, 14:17
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- PELL'S TRAVEL PLANS?? - kaythegardener, 2012-04-14, 14:04
- stopthese suicides - Ynot, 2012-04-14, 13:48
- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....another question - James, 2012-04-14, 12:47
- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....a question - Beehive, 2012-04-15, 06:24
- church doesn't exist - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:18
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- stranger than fiction - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:42
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- SNAP under assault: I assault, therefore, I am. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:46
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- SNAP under assault: I assault, therefore, I am. - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:46
- church doesn't exist - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:44
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- Perhaps when it accepts the responsibility of existing legally and taking responsibility . - Roy, 2012-04-15, 09:20
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- Perhaps when it accepts the responsibility of existing legally and taking responsibility . - Roy, 2012-04-15, 09:20
- stranger than fiction - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:42
- church doesn't exist - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:18
- If it's a matter of money - Enda, 2012-04-14, 12:12
- Sorry if we're hogging the forum a bit at the moment.....a question - Brian Coyne, 2012-04-14, 11:08
- Don't Let Us Forget About Our Brothers and Sisters Worldwide - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-14, 16:01
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- More media reports....... - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:18
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- Hart says Church handling of abuse didn't lead to sucide...WRONG! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:38
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- One story that deeply upset me for a few reasons - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:47
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- D D D D D D It's D one holy catholic and apostolic church - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:51
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- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 09:00
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- why should I care?? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 09:18
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- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 09:47
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- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 10:03
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- Legal existence?????? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 10:10
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- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-15, 11:05
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- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 11:11
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- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Roy, 2012-04-15, 11:29
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- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Roy, 2012-04-15, 11:29
- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 11:11
- Legal existence?????? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 10:10
- Never? Cannot be? Disbelief? Oh no, never can it be!!!!! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 10:03
- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 09:47
- why should I care?? - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-15, 09:48
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- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 10:02
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- why should I care?? - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-15, 10:16
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- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 10:40
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- why should I care?? - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-15, 12:37
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- why should I care?? - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-15, 12:37
- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 10:40
- why should I care?? - Ann Free Spirit, 2012-04-15, 10:16
- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 10:02
- why should I care?? - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 09:18
- why should I care?? - Roy, 2012-04-15, 09:00
- but then again maybe Hart is right! - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:55
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- D D D D D D It's D one holy catholic and apostolic church - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:51
- One story that deeply upset me for a few reasons - Roy, 2012-04-15, 08:47
- Hart says Church handling of abuse didn't lead to sucide...WRONG! - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-15, 08:38
- What is the link between these abusers and conservatism? - Brian Coyne, 2012-04-14, 10:56
- Reasons for royal commission in Victoria - Judy Courtin - Macbee, 2012-04-14, 13:56
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- they want the truth to be told, the whole truth and nothing but the truth - Oh Yet We Trust, 2012-04-14, 07:52

















